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2005.05.07

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Scrivener

Are you kidding me? I haven't been to Dr. B's yet today, so this is the first I've heard of this. I'm with you all the way on this one. Plus, jsut want to say, what stupid shit, don't we have better stuff to argue about?

Rana

You'll get no disagreement from me, David. Shelley's been on my roll for a long time, and often makes really good points about gender and tech, but things like this really make my eyes roll.

musey_me

Rana - My blogroll isn't going anywhere either. I heard a comment on the radio today about how if mainstrem media disappeared, blogs would also disappear because they are the reaction to mainstream media. While I know what the comment was referring to, it did the same thing you're talking about - tried to define all of the blogosphere by what one (important and active) portion of it does. Without my blogroll, I wouldn't have a roadmap to my favorite places.

Phantom Scribbler

Oy, Rana, thanks for stepping into the fray with some words of sense.

For myself, I'd rather see some honest catblogging and cool knitting photos than any A-list nattering about the politics of blogroll diversity.

And who knew that people relied on TTLB to determine their self-worth? I thought it was funny...

Rana

Yeah, it is, somewhat. I find myself in a slightly awkward position in this whole mess because I'm one of the "older" bloggers out there, and began blogging during a time when people like Lauren and Shelley and Invisible Adjunct and Stephanie of Yarn Harlot were just starting out and we were all relatively small bloggers together.

So I consider myself in some respects to still be a part of that crowd -- and yet, I've not had the same appetite for expansion and promotion that many of the others have. I look at what has happened to Steph's comments thread, or the ways that people get tetchy when someone like Lauren decides not to act like the local "public utility" (as one commenter phrased it) but like an individual, and I know that my readership has reached just the right level. I don't want a huge readership -- I want to be able to just hang out here and mope around and act silly without the weight of responsibility those people now carry around with them.

So in that regard I'm more sympatico with "smaller" and "younger" bloggers, who don't have to deal with those enormous social pressures to always be focused and "on" and there for their readers.

I also sit in an intersection between the political and activist bloggers -- some of my posts get picked up and linked by them -- academic bloggers (ditto); the hobby bloggers; and bloggers who I simply consider fellow travellers and friends. If I have a hierarchy on my blogrolls, it is by size and likelihood of reciprocal linking -- thus dooce is on the left, and feministe is on the right.

The upshot of this is that I feel I have retained my sense of the essential randomness of the blogosphere as a whole in a way that people doing more focused blogging at a more intensive level may have forgotten. It's a big ol' messy place, just like the world in general, and I believe in respecting and even admiring that.

But we know I have issues with hierarchy and arrogance in general, don't we?

Jill Smith

Oy...

I could say something detailed and cynical about bomb-throwers and the temporary traffic spikes they incur, but I'll settle for just cynical and leave the detail out of it.

wolfangel

Rana, you should check out my current favourite description of why we like the blogroll.

I admit mine is poorly maintained now. I should update it.

Chris Clarke

I could say something detailed and cynical about bomb-throwers and the temporary traffic spikes they incur, but I'll settle for just cynical and leave the detail out of it.

Heh.

Minor quibble: some of us bomb-throwers couldn't care less about the traffic that results: we just love the sheer free feeling of saying whatever stupid thing occurs to us.

And I wish I'd kept my mouth shut on this one.

Rana

Ah, well. Being a dork in public is all part and parcel of blogging, isn't it? It's not like I haven't!

;)

laura

Great post. You're saying really well stuff I've been thinking sort of resentfully without really knowing why.

I want to think that any type of heirarchisation of categories of blogging subjects is false: that poli-blogging can be inane & banal and craft or pet blogging can be profound and politically engaged. But is this just romantic nonsense?

Psycho Kitty

Yeah, I saw that argument too and didn't get it. I keep a blogroll because the places on my roll are sites I enjoy. I really don't have any ulterior motives. Plus it's a heck of a lot easier than bookmarking all of them.

miguel

It all reminds me of high school. Who is most popular. Who knows who. Who says the most outrageous things. Who has the hippest looks. Who is the most connected. It's like an internet equivalent of small town hotrodders circling Main Street, boys gunning their engines, girls shaking their locks. It's absurd. I thought I was past all this primate position jockeying. My only interest in blogging is to read good stories and to try and write the best stories I can. It's just plain fun to communicate. When it stops being fun and starts getting to be popularity contests, like any high school dance I just walk out and sit down with the people who just want to enjoy each other's company.

Satsuma

You're right. I've also found recently that there's a whole network of British bloggers who never ever get mentioned or linked to the section of the blogosphere you are talking about. Then there are all the blogs in other languages. The blogosphere is as big as the world and I think sometimes we imagine that our own corner of it is all of it.

Mel

excellent post, Rana -- I've been suprised (and wearied) by this little tempest too. Thanks for getting to the political questions in all of this (not just the "I like/dislike blogrolls," which has been filling up so many comment threads).

Harrison

My lord, but Shelly's post was annoying. I assumed there would be fall-out, so I stuck my head in the sand. I hate getting bogged down in these sorts of things.

And, Shelly, you are no John Stewart...

QC

EXTREMELY well said!!

jocelyn

interesting. i love when i read this stuff, and realize i'm SO out of the loop. i'm so in the middle. i don't read the drudge report, and i'm still not sure what the hell this TTLB stuff is. i still not cognizant of what 'movable type' is, and i'm still a little jealous that i can't figure out how to have cute little pics and things to link to people on my blog, or that i don't have my OWN website, rather than a blogger blog.

on the other hand, i actually HAVE a blog that i've maintained for over a year, have some readers and commenters that aren't just people who know me (although even some of those people 'found' me anyway), and am amazed at the large amount of people i think are educated, smart people who still don't really know what a blog is.

drifting over to the other side again, there still are so many 'famous' bloggers that i don't get around to or even know about, and i feel like there's just TOO MUCH INFORMATION to get my mind around sometimes. like i will just explode. so, i end up getting all my news from yahoo headlines and jon stewart, lest i just break down in a sobbing mess and feeling like the zoloft ball all the time (who ended up getting a makeover from the look of that website, it seems).

anyway. who knew. blogrolls are controversial? i use them as my own handy bookmark reference, and a way to give a shoutout to people that i think people who stop by my blog should check out. that's that. i didn't know it was so political. personal = political, though, right?

smooches!

Rana

Personal is political, indeed. I suspect that's why these things get so whirlingly out of control -- there's rarely "safe" space to just hang back and observe.

I don't care who is popular and who is not. I got over that in high school, when I was very much not and learned that that could be a good thing.

(Thanks, miguel, for the analogy!)

laura -- I don't think that's an unreasonable position to take. I've seen deeper thought about complicated issues on so-called hobby blogs than on many of poli-blogs; good ideas, people and writing aren't neatly packaged, as much as some folks would like them to be.

(I am very suspicious of anyone who demands a "tidy" view of life. Life is many things, but it ain't tidy!)

Psycho Kitty -- yeah, my blogroll = my bookmarks. :)

Satsuma, thanks for bringing up the non-English bloggers. I suspect it's not coincidence that these sorts of things tend to originate from us here in the "good ol' USA" -- we've made navel-gazing a national pasttime!

I just have to say that it's conversations like this that make blogging worthwhile, not "Top Ten" lists.

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