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2005.01.22

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Beatrice Perale

Sometimes people who think they're very tolerant are actually very intolerant. They get self-righteous about how tolerant they are and jump on peopl who don't conform to their high standards before they've even listened to them. Is that part of what you mean?

Rana

Yes, it is.

To be honest, I've been accused of this. (Which is ironic, if you think about it.) All I can say is that the majority of my positions are the result of careful thought -- not all, I'm not perfect -- but it's not always easy to see this. This is something I should perhaps work on.

Katherine

A very thoughtful and thought provoking post. I particularly like the idea of always operating from a benefit of the doubt position.

In many ways, what you're describing here is what we rhetoricians try to teach: that disagreement among human beings is inevitable, and that disagreement, in fact, is a good thing because it allows people to make important and informed choices. The problem we face-and the one you identify here--is that people have come to see disagreement as somehow rude and undesirable and so often refuse to talk about things like religion or politics or other issues about which we disagree. And the problem is compunded by the fact that people tend to link a person's opinions to her identity and so any disagreement becomes a personal attack. (Hence the "you're intolerant" argument.) This habit of tying beliefs to identity has the effect of allowing people who hold a particular set of beliefs to ignore or mistreat people who don't share those beliefs, and to see such "nonbelievers" as inferior people who are unworthy of fair treatment; and their beliefs as unworthy of examination.

But for our democracy to survive, we must call the beliefs of others into question; we must bring them into the light for examination and negotiation; and we must do so with the awareness that during that process, our beliefs may change--all parties to a disagreement must be willing to be persuaded by thoughtful arguments.

Unfortunately, we live in a culture that refuses to use rhetoric to solve disagreements and instead resorts to violence and coercion.

heading out

I think what is becoming more of concern is that one can go into a debate now where there is a degree of what might, to a disinterested observer, seem to be a strong body of existing fact/evidence. But, given the emotional beliefs of the participants, this body of information is treated as having no greater validity than any other argument, and thus truth becomes of less relevance.

Amanda

It would be nice if there were tags we could use to signal, e.g., <off-the-cuff> or <premeditated>, wouldn't it? And some <irony> and <sarcasm> tags would be handy, too. :)

I like the "benefit of the doubt" principle because it implies that it's productive rather than destructive to encounter ideas you don't approve of. What's been driving me batshit crazy about some of the political discourse I've heard lately is the notion that people are too fragile to be exposed to any idea that doesn't fit their worldview, and that the presence of such ideas is somehow inherently harmful.

I do find that for me the risk is getting stuck in the doubting stage of things and going back and forth endlessly -- the paralysis of inaction you describe. Still, I'd rather bog down from time to time than go through life without weighing assumptions.

Like Katherine, I was reminded of teaching writing; I used to give my students much the same advice about constructing an argument. I wonder if the Benefit of the Doubt Principle can be connected with the perceived liberal bias of academia, seeing as careful self-questioning and examination of existing beliefs is the kind of thing teachers try to get students to do all the time, whether you call it the Socratic method, or critical thinking, or whatever.

Jill Smith

Wow. Yes. Absolutely. And as you might have guessed, I love the analogy to Yoga.

John Friend says that anything you do with 100% commitment is perfect. I like that and I repeat it to my class when they're getting frustrated about not being able to do things elegantly (yet). (Speaking of which, have you read "Yoga from the Inside Out" by Christina Sell?).

I have been driven to almost blinding rage by people who attempt to preach to me what my values "should" be because of where they perceive me to be on the "Liberal-Conservative" spectrum. Grrrr.

Pronoia

This makes a lot of sense to me. Thanks for explaining your thought process. It's helped me think through a problem a friend and I had noticed, where she kept ending up on the short end of the argumentative stick because she was committed to keeping an open mind and her boyfriend, a conservative, was willing to both make judgments and condemn her for making similar judgments.

Thanks. I do appreciate your commitment to carefully thinking through such things.

MisterBS

Rana's post and Pronoia's comment underline something for me that I should keep in mind myself: having an open mind doesn't mean you must eternally think that Everybody's Just Fine and Nobody Deserves to be Criticized.

I think I let people guilt me about coming down on something and calling a spade a spade.

dale

Oh, I loved this. I loathe "tolerance."

But to me "benefit of the doubt" is only the beginning. I want to think and feel my way so far into people's hearts that they make visceral, immediate sense to me, so that I can feel the dread and horror and contempt that my social and political and religious views inspire in people. I want to completely lose my own opinions for a space of time, and go traveling with theirs.

I am in no danger, I've found, of losing my opinions for good. If only. They stick like burrs :-)

SB

I like this very much. Thank you. It has given me a new way of thinking about things; shed some light on on confusion.

LiL

I've been meaning to respond to this, mainly to say that you have it absolutely right. Because your scheme includes the whole range of human emotion, anger and distress too, not just the hopped-up-on-happy-pills brave-new-world kind that according to TV and whatnot is supposed to be a person's widest emotional range.

Rana

Yes. As I was just posting over at Tish's (and was thinking about in relation to dale's recent post), the benefit of the doubt extends in all directions; if there is a "privileged" position, it is the one that develops out of careful thought and humility and awareness of context and personal limits. It is also one that needs to be cultivated and refined throughout one's life.

Moreover (and I'm not entirely sure this came through strongly enough) I have a real impatience with people (including myself) who, having developed this position so carefully, fail to defend it -- particular in the name of "getting along." There is, for example, no excuse for using "tolerance" as a way to turn a blind eye to the abuse of children, or to torture, or to the destruction of an ecosystem. You can quibble about the details, but the evidence in support of the position that these things are not desirable is (for me) so compelling as to make "tolerating" them not only laughable but offensive.

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