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2004.10.20

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yami

The third Word does is the EndNote plugin... an absolute dream for getting the formatting correct on a million zillion citations - or at least once you've gotten it working, which is a dicey task.

Rana

Would you believe I never used EndNote? Wanted to, intended to, but never got around to buying and installing it. And now my computer is too old and memory deficient to handle the new versions (and, more to the point, I'm not doing anything that would justify its purchase, let alone the computer upgrade *sigh*).

Jimbo

My writing is more or less like yours, except I always skip the outlining phase. Or maybe I just make the outline in my head. But my outline always lacks what I think is most important to outlining: hierarchy. Instead I tend to work with a series of points and use my writing to try to figure out how these points go together.

Your description of brain-dump followed by editing fits me to a tee. I usually add one stage. I run through the brain-dump and mark the various paragraphs by theme and then work those into coherent sections. What I'm always aiming at is what I call a continuity draft, a draft that takes the idea from some sort of beginning to some sort of end. Only when I can do that, can I really begin to edit, that is, decide what actually belongs in this paper and what can go.

On Endnote and Word: Endnote 7 does not communicate effectively with Word 2001 for Mac System X. I've had more crashes since I started using it. Moreover, the new version of Endnote is not very smart about knowing where you want your reference inserted. When you try to edit the entry to add a page number, it invariably takes you to the wrong place in the document. Finally, I haven't found a way to manually insert formatted endnotes using Endnote the way I could do with the older versions (command-K). This is very annoying when you want to format your footnote in some way that Endnote does not think appropriate.

jwb

Another Damned Medievalist

I admit, I still begin everything on three legal pads. One for outlines, one for text, and one for notes. I like the tangibility of actually writing, rather than typing, and I find that there's less mess. Once I've gotten a bunch done, I can change modes.

I don't really know how to take notes, though. Never got the notecard thing. Sucks for me.

sappho

Have to comment on outlines. I think that a lot of people for whom writing/scholarship was a joy rather than a job start by not using outlines. In college my preferred method for writing a paper was a stack of the books I'd consulted/notes I'd taken on one side of the typewriter (yes, I am old, no computer till I dissertated) and a stack of paper on the other side. I plunged right in, typed till it was done, did maybe one revision and that was it.
Later, in grad school, it became less and less enjoyable. Writing for publication/possible publication drove me to outlines. In some fields, the preferred structure for a paper is pretty rigid, an implicit outline.
My guess is that while the five-paragraph theme is disparaged by those who think everybody has a creative writer burning within, it's not all that bad--or that uncommon (I bet that a lot of journal articles could be divided into a similar structure.), and I sometimes wish that those I work with who can't seem to structure a simple memo weren't afraid to use it.

Rana

Oh, I don't disagree that the 5-para form can at times be useful. It just gets tiring trying to wean students off of it, particularly when they are attempting to write on a topic that will span 10+ pages and should involve more than three examples and one thesis. It's really painful reading their attempts to shoehorn all that into five paragraphs!

Ditto on outlines; I don't disagree that they are useful for structuring a paper; it was that I found that for myself (and most of my students) it was more effective to impose an outline after the fact (sort of like what Jimbo's describing) than to try to write to one (which seems to work okay for those who can pre-frame their argument before writing, but frustrates those of us who don't figure out our full argument until the writing and editing begin). I definitely agree that more people need to learn how to write something coherent! (Gods, government form instructions are a nightmare!)

I like the idea of a "continuity draft" -- my final goal is to have a smoothly unfurling argument in which each part logically progresses from the preceding part, until you reach the end. Sometimes I'll end up with several sub-arguments (I love sub-headings) but the "flow" is present in each section and the sections are themselves intended to build or complement the others.

Unfortunately, this is one of the harder things to teach; I found that having students diagram the flow of thought in their papers and others' (using pictures like triangles and hourglasses and circles surrounded by other circles with connecting lines -- that sort of thing) helped. It certainly helped me think about my own writing!

Good to know about EndNote -- should I ever have cause (and money) again to need it.

JM

So, I don't have bad writing habits. Check. I feel validated! :)

New Kid on the Hallway

Yeah, this all sounds very familiar to me, too! Your brain-dump method, Rana, and Jimbo's marking up of the themes are key for me.

And I'm with ADM - I suck at taking notes. I used notecards for my senior thesis in college (I think I finally threw those notes away in my last move), and I remember it working REALLY well, with a lot of glorious opportunity to shuffle notecards around and reorganize ideas that way. Haven't touched notecards since (and that was 13 years ago!)

I like your point about there being no One Right Way to write, Rana - I believe that, but I still persist on occasion in thinking that my own way is "weird" and inefficient (well, I bet it could be MORE efficient...).

Rana

Eh, I think efficiency during the writing process is overrated; I think that the more that we mull over the ideas and thumb through our notes, the better the final result.

Notecards, though... I have strong thoughts on these

Maybe I should move these thoughts into a post of their own...

Done.

New Kid on the Hallway

Yeah, I agree about mulling things over leading to a better result; sometimes I just wish that my own timetable and my institution's/profession's timetables meshed better...

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